[Rd] Re: [R-SIG-Mac] R version on gifi

Stefano Iacus jago at mclink.it
Tue Jun 17 18:55:35 MEST 2003

On Martedì, giu 17, 2003, at 17:45 Europe/Rome, Simon Urbanek wrote:

> On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 05:11  PM, Don MacQueen wrote:
>>> The really native version doesn't really need to depend on X11 
>>> anymore since the use of X11 on Mac OS X was meant for applications 
>>> that are not properly ported to OS X yet. Once Quartz and RAqua are 
>>> complete there is no need for X11.
>> Except for one major flaw in Aqua--the absence of "focus follows 
>> mouse", as it is sometimes called in an X
> Yes, this is indeed a very nice feature (I've been using it on unix 
> all time), but it can be disastrous at the same time. MS Windows has 
> an undocumented registry key which allows you to enable this, but once 
> you do that you'll realize that a lot of applications assume 
> 'topmost-has-focus' state and are almost unusable if the 
> 'focus-follows-mouse' is enabled (example: if you have a mouse over a 
> toolbar your document window is inactive - most applications can't 
> deal with that). I'm not sure about this in OS X (since we can't 
> really test it ;P), but something similar might happen.
>> Jan cited "Gerben Wierda's i-installer" as a source for jpeg, png, 
>> and teTex. This source is somehow more "official" than fink? But, 
>> considering what Jan says, i.e. "everything needed in /usr/local 
>> will" be included with the installer package, it doesn't matter to 
>> the end user.
> Exactly, that's the point :) We don't want to assume things that are 
> non-standard. We should provide them if necessary.

> There is still one issue to consider in this context: source packages. 
> A really 'plain' Mac OS X can't be used to install source packages 
> as-is, basically because there are three missing things: Dev Tools, 
> g77 and latex. The first one is official, so we could require that 
> (and probably have to). G77 is really just a few files, so the 
> installer could add it if necessary, but I'm not sure about latex. Is 
> building packages w/o latex documentation an option? The direct use of 
> source packages seems to me as the greatest benefit of OSX being 
> unix-based, therefore i wouldn't like to miss it, even if I was pure 
> Mac user...

We (R-core) have planned to make an automated procedure in order to 
provide prebuilt packages on CRAN for Darwin, so that 
install.packages() can eventually behave like on Windows (at least for 
Btw, I guess g77 will be included in the next release of DevTools.


> Cheers,
> Simon
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