[Rd] Where does L come from?
murdoch@dunc@n @ending from gm@il@com
Sun Aug 26 01:33:23 CEST 2018
On 25/08/2018 4:49 PM, Hervé Pagès wrote:
> The choice of the L suffix in R to mean "R integer type", which
> is mapped to the "int" type at the C level, and NOT to the "long int"
> type, is really unfortunate as it seems to be misleading and confusing
> a lot of people.
Can you provide any evidence of that (e.g. a link to a message from one
of these people)? I think a lot of people don't really know about the L
suffix, but that's different from being confused or misleaded by it.
And if you make a criticism like that, it would really be fair to
suggest what R should have done instead. I can't think of anything
better, given that "i" was already taken, and that the lack of a decimal
place had historically not been significant. Using "I" *would* have
been confusing (3i versus 3I being very different). Deciding that 3
suddenly became an integer value different from 3. would have led to
lots of inefficient conversions (since stats mainly deals with floating
> The fact that nowadays "int" and "long int" have the same size on most
> platforms is only anecdotal here.
> Just my 2 cents.
> On 08/25/2018 10:01 AM, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote:
>> On 25 August 2018 at 09:28, Carl Boettiger wrote:
>> | I always thought it meant "Long" (I'm assuming R's integers are long
>> | integers in C sense (iirrc one can declare 'long x', and it being common to
>> | refer to integers as "longs" in the same way we use "doubles" to mean
>> | double precision floating point). But pure speculation on my part, so I'm
>> | curious!
>> It does per my copy (dated 1990 !!) of the 2nd ed of Kernighan & Ritchie. It
>> explicitly mentions (sec 2.2) that 'int' may be 16 or 32 bits, and 'long' is
>> 32 bit; and (in sec 2.3) introduces the I, U, and L labels for constants. So
>> "back then when" 32 bit was indeed long. And as R uses 32 bit integers ...
>> (It is all murky because the size is an implementation detail and later
>> "essentially everybody" moved to 32 bit integers and 64 bit longs as the 64
>> bit architectures became prevalent. Which is why when it matters one should
>> really use more explicit types like int32_t or int64_t.)
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