[R] Getting sink to work with "message" on R 2.11.0 - what didImiss?

ONKELINX, Thierry Thierry.ONKELINX at inbo.be
Thu May 27 12:14:20 CEST 2010

Dear Faiz,

Maybe the xtable package can be helpfull for you. It adds markup tags to
a table. You can choose between LaTeX and HTML. Microsoft can open HTML



ir. Thierry Onkelinx
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> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: r-help-bounces op r-project.org 
> [mailto:r-help-bounces op r-project.org] Namens Faiz Rasool
> Verzonden: donderdag 27 mei 2010 11:46
> Aan: Greg Snow
> CC: R help email list.
> Onderwerp: Re: [R] Getting sink to work with "message" on R 
> 2.11.0 - what didImiss?
> I should thank     members of R community who have engaged in 
> a lengthy discussion on making R's  output easier to handle 
> for Blinds. Since my email started all the discussion, I feel 
> I should clarify what exactly I needed, and in my opinion 
> what can make things easier for Blind users of R.
> I agree with the point of Gregory Snow that each Blind user 
> have unique needs and preferences. I think what I requested 
> and which may also help other Blind users is to have greater 
> control and feel of what goes on in R console. For example, 
> if I am performing a detailed analysis of data in a single 
> r's session which involves requesting descriptive statistics 
> and use of some inferential techniques. It is quite difficult 
> for me to move back and forward just to hear the results of 
> the commands issued earlier in the session. That is why I 
> requested a solution to move results of the commands to 
> Microsoft word.
> Tables are easier to read for me and I guess for other Blind 
> individuals as well when there screen readers can identify 
> the rows and columns of the tables. The tables that are made  
> by typing table(x,y) in console do not provide any 
> information about the structure of the table to the Blind 
> users, that is, how many rows are there in the tables and how 
> many columns. When tables are copied from the console and 
> they are pasted into Microsoft word or into any other text 
> processor they do not appear as a properly formatted table. 
> When I am saying properly formatted table as a blind user, I 
> am not saying anything about the fonts and there colors, or 
> any visual aspect. I am just saying that I cannot find out 
> that how many rows and how many columns are there in the 
> table, and tables appear as  lines of typed text. I have few 
> tables with I would sent to Gregory Snow and tal Galili as an 
> example of the kind of the tables that I can read and other 
> Blind users can read easily. 
> Most members of this list are highly qualified individuals, 
> and some of them are teachers as well. Almost everyone would 
> have used R for data analysis to write and present the 
> results of data analysis in a report or in a paper. I want to 
> achieve the same thing. So if readers of this email can 
> enlighten me on how they take tables from R and put them into 
> there reports and there papers I can find solution to my 
> problem as well. 
> To provide further background on my issue, I have previously 
> used SPSS. SPSS provides an option to save the output window 
> as a Microsoft word document. The frequency and cross
> tabulation that you request SPSS are saved as tables which 
> can be read by me and other Blinds as well. So I am looking 
> for a solution where I can do the same using R. If such a 
> solution is not possible then I would appreciate the help of 
> how to use R to make properly structured tables. 
> Thank you all,
> Faiz. 

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