[R] Highly significant intercept and large standard error

Viechtbauer Wolfgang (STAT) Wolfgang.Viechtbauer at STAT.unimaas.nl
Wed Oct 6 16:05:35 CEST 2010


I do not know about the details of the model, but the results are not all that strange. I'll assume that you are using family=gaussian(), so you are essentially running a model where (Intercept) reflects the mean of the dependent variable for that third category (MagMid) of the Mag factor and MagNew and MagOld are the mean differences between MagMid and those two other categories.

If you remove the Mag factor from the model, you get a model with just an intercept, reflecting the overall mean. Two things will happen. That overall mean is essentially a weighted average of the three level-specific means. MagMid and MagOld are the most frequent categories and both these means are close to zero, so the overall mean will be pulled close to zero. Moreover, the amount of variability around the overall mean will be larger than the amount of variability around the level-specific means. This will lead to a larger standard error for the overall mean. Hence, it could very well happen that the intercept is no longer significant when you remove that factor.

Given that MagNew only occured a few times and given its very different mean and huge standard error, I suspect that some value(s) within that level are "screwy". Maybe the data have been entered incorrectly. One thing I have seen happen a few times is that missing data were coded, for example, as a -9999 in the dataset created with, for example, SPSS, but were then accidentally treated as observed values when analyzed with some other software, such as R. That could cause such a low mean for that category and the huge SE.

It's just a hunch. Could be anything, but I would certainly take another good look at the values within that level.

Best,

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Subject: [R] Highly significant intercept and large standard error

> Dear list,
>
> I am running a lmer model and have a question.
>
> When ever i put a factor (Mag) in my model it lowers the AIC of the
> model, however the intercept is the only value with  significant
> p-value. I have looked at the coefficients and the standard error and
> something jumps out at me.
>
>
>                               Estimate Std. Error z value Pr(>|z|)
> (Intercept)            -1.35778    0.30917  -4.392 1.12e-05 ***
> MagNew           -15.76939 1255.06372  -0.013    0.990
> MagOld            0.14250    0.25246   0.564    0.572
>
> MagNew relates to a categorical factor (Mag) that has 3 levels of
> which New is one and Old is another ( The third is not displayed).
>
> It appears MagNew has a huge Std.Error, what could cause this?
>
> When i do str(Mag) you will see that New is relatively rare (29 out
> of 871) i presume it is this that is raising the Std.Error value.
> however i am not sure why this is causing the  intercept to have a
> highly significant p value . Furthermore how do i interpret it, I am
> using AIC values as my basis of model selection and i am unsure if
> this really is the most likely model or not?
>
> Thanks
>
> Sam
>
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> [12] Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old
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> [34] Old  Old  Old  Old  Mid     Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old
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> Mid     Old [56] Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old
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> Mid [133] Mid     Mid     Mid     Mid     Mid     Mid     Mid     Mid
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> Mid [408] Mid     Mid     Mid     Mid     Mid     Mid     Mid     Mid
> Mid     Mid     Mid [419] Old  Old  Old  Old  Mid     Mid     Mid
> Mid     Mid     Old  Mid [430] Mid     Mid     Mid     Mid     Mid
> Mid     Mid     Mid     Mid     Mid     Mid [441] Mid     Mid     Mid
> Mid     Mid     Mid     Old  Old  Old  Old  Old [452] Old  Old  Old
> Old  Old  Old  Old  Mid     Mid     Old  Old [463] Mid     Mid
> Old  Old  Mid     Mid     Mid     Mid     Mid     Old  Mid [474] Mid
> Mid     Old  Mid     Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old [485] Mid
> Mid     Mid     Mid     Mid     Mid     Mid     Mid     Mid     Mid
> Old [496] Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Mid     Old  Mid     Old  Old
> [507] Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old [518] Mid
> Mid     Mid     Mid     Old  Mid     Old  Mid     Old  Mid     Mid
> [529] Old  Old  Mid     Mid     Mid     Mid     Mid     Mid     Old
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> Old  Old  Old  Mid [551] Mid     Mid     Old  Old  Mid     Mid
> Old  Mid     Old  Old  Old [562] Old  Mid     Old  Old  Old  Mid
> Old  Old  Old  Old  Mid [573] Mid     Mid     Old  Old  Mid     Mid
> Mid     Mid     Old  Old  Old [584] Mid     Old  Old  Old  Old  Old
> Old  Mid     Mid     Mid     Old [595] Mid     Mid     Mid     Old
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> Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old [628] Old  Old  Mid
> Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old [639] Old  Old  Old  Old  Old
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> [826] Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old
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> [859] Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Old  Mid     Mid     Old  Old  Old
> [870] Old  Old
> Levels: Mid New Old
>
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