# [R] ordered and unordered variables

PIKAL Petr petr.pikal at precheza.cz
Thu May 23 09:44:24 CEST 2013

```Hi

Try to put your question on stackexchange. Or maybe it is already answered there. I am not an statistical expert but based on common sense (which can be counter intuitive sometimes) I will use ordered factor if I expect influence of tension value on breaks. Anyway I will probably consult more experienced people around or some textbook.

Regards
Petr

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> From: r-help-bounces at r-project.org [mailto:r-help-bounces at r-
> project.org] On Behalf Of meng
> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 4:44 AM
> To: Uwe Ligges
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> Subject: Re: [R] ordered and unordered variables
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> It's not homework.
> I met this question during my practical work via R.
> The boss is an expert of biology,but he doesn't know statistics.So I
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> At 2013-05-22 17:30:34,"Uwe Ligges" <ligges at statistik.tu-dortmund.de>
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> >On 22.05.2013 07:09, meng wrote:
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> >> As to the data " warpbreaks", if I want to analysis the impact of
> tension(L,M,H) on breaks, should I order the tension or not?
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> >Uwe Ligges
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> >> At 2013-05-21 20:55:18,"David Winsemius" <dwinsemius at comcast.net>
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> >>> On May 20, 2013, at 10:35 PM, meng wrote:
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> >>>> Hi all:
> >>>> If the explainary variables are ordinal,the result of regression
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> >>>> different from "unordered variables".But I can't understand the
> >>>> result of regression from "ordered variable".
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> >>>> The data is warpbreaks,which belongs to R.
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> >>>> If I use the "unordered variable"(tension):Levels: L M H The
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> >>>>     Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(>|t|)
> >>>> (Intercept)    36.39       2.80  12.995  < 2e-16 ***
> >>>> tensionM      -10.00       3.96  -2.525 0.014717 *
> >>>> tensionH      -14.72       3.96  -3.718 0.000501 ***
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> >>>> If I use the "ordered variable"(tension):Levels: L < M < H I don't
> >>>> know how to explain the result:
> >>>>            Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(>|t|)
> >>>> (Intercept)   28.148      1.617  17.410  < 2e-16 ***
> >>>> tension.L    -10.410      2.800  -3.718 0.000501 ***
> >>>> tension.Q      2.155      2.800   0.769 0.445182
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> >>>> What's "tension.L" and "tension.Q" stands for?And how to explain
> the result then?
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> >>> Ordered factors are handled by the R regression mechanism with
> orthogonal polynomial contrasts: ".L" for linear and ".Q" for
> quadratic. If the term had 4 levels there would also have been a ".C"
> (cubic) term. Treatment contrasts are used for unordered factors.
> Generally one would want to do predictions for explanations of the
> results. Trying to explain the individual coefficient values from
> polynomial contrasts is similar to and just as unproductive as trying
> to explain the individual coefficients involving interaction terms.
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> >>> David Winsemius
> >>> Alameda, CA, USA
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