[R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help?

Hasan Diwan hasan.diwan at gmail.com
Mon Jan 25 22:20:37 CET 2016


On 25 January 2016 at 13:13, Duncan Murdoch <murdoch.duncan at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 25/01/2016 3:33 PM, Hasan Diwan wrote:
>
>> There exists a fine line between being unintentionally rude, but helpful
>> and purposely putting someone down. -- H
>>
>
> I'm afraid I don't think your point is relevant.  I didn't claim all the
> people who were rude did it unintentionally.  However,  I don't know anyone
> on the list who is always rude and never helpful. Oliver claimed almost
> everyone is like that.


> I actually agree with a weaker version of John's proposal (which I cut out
> of my reply to Oliver).  I can imagine a public reprimand from one of the
> moderators would be appropriate.  It would never be appropriate from
> general list members; that's what leads to flame wars.
>
> I'm not a moderator, so I would not publicly "remind the poster to reply
> in a more moderate tone", and neither should you (unless you're a
> moderator).  It would be much better if one or both of us posted a more
> helpful response when we saw a rude, unhelpful one.


I'm not one to attack others in general, and have developed thick skin, so
a lot of what others find rude, I will ignore and get on with things. That
said, if someone does tell me that e.g. "Hasan is being offensive because
of $x, $y or $z", I'll apologise and get on with my life. Most of the time,
when people find me offensive, it's because I treat others how I wish to be
treated and the rhetoric just doesn't offend me. -- H

>
>
> Duncan Murdoch
>
>
>
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>> On 25 January 2016 at 12:07, Duncan Murdoch <murdoch.duncan at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On 25/01/2016 2:45 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote:
>> >
>> >> I disagree, and would argue that fails to take a systemic view of this
>> >> kind of behaviour.
>> >>
>> >> If individual commentators are acerbic and are only privately
>> >> reprimanded, from the perspective of everyone else it looks like the
>> >> acerbic reply was A-OK. Someone said something unnecessarily hostile
>> >> and the response was...nada. That creates an environment where there
>> >> are no clear examples of what crosses a line and no clear expectation
>> >> that moderation is even a thing that happens. Indeed, I was shocked to
>> >> discover this list _was_ moderated precisely because all I see is
>> >> people being mean and nothing much else happening.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Why would you bother to read it if that's all you see?  I think there
>> are
>> > examples of posts here which are not at all helpful, and others which
>> are
>> > rude, but the majority are actually helpful (even some of the rude
>> ones).
>> >
>> > Duncan Murdoch
>> >
>> >
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