[R] R-help mailing list activity / R-not-help?
hasan.diwan at gmail.com
Mon Jan 25 22:20:37 CET 2016
On 25 January 2016 at 13:13, Duncan Murdoch <murdoch.duncan at gmail.com>
> On 25/01/2016 3:33 PM, Hasan Diwan wrote:
>> There exists a fine line between being unintentionally rude, but helpful
>> and purposely putting someone down. -- H
> I'm afraid I don't think your point is relevant. I didn't claim all the
> people who were rude did it unintentionally. However, I don't know anyone
> on the list who is always rude and never helpful. Oliver claimed almost
> everyone is like that.
> I actually agree with a weaker version of John's proposal (which I cut out
> of my reply to Oliver). I can imagine a public reprimand from one of the
> moderators would be appropriate. It would never be appropriate from
> general list members; that's what leads to flame wars.
> I'm not a moderator, so I would not publicly "remind the poster to reply
> in a more moderate tone", and neither should you (unless you're a
> moderator). It would be much better if one or both of us posted a more
> helpful response when we saw a rude, unhelpful one.
I'm not one to attack others in general, and have developed thick skin, so
a lot of what others find rude, I will ignore and get on with things. That
said, if someone does tell me that e.g. "Hasan is being offensive because
of $x, $y or $z", I'll apologise and get on with my life. Most of the time,
when people find me offensive, it's because I treat others how I wish to be
treated and the rhetoric just doesn't offend me. -- H
> Duncan Murdoch
>> On 25 January 2016 at 12:07, Duncan Murdoch <murdoch.duncan at gmail.com>
>> > On 25/01/2016 2:45 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote:
>> >> I disagree, and would argue that fails to take a systemic view of this
>> >> kind of behaviour.
>> >> If individual commentators are acerbic and are only privately
>> >> reprimanded, from the perspective of everyone else it looks like the
>> >> acerbic reply was A-OK. Someone said something unnecessarily hostile
>> >> and the response was...nada. That creates an environment where there
>> >> are no clear examples of what crosses a line and no clear expectation
>> >> that moderation is even a thing that happens. Indeed, I was shocked to
>> >> discover this list _was_ moderated precisely because all I see is
>> >> people being mean and nothing much else happening.
>> > Why would you bother to read it if that's all you see? I think there
>> > examples of posts here which are not at all helpful, and others which
>> > rude, but the majority are actually helpful (even some of the rude
>> > Duncan Murdoch
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