[R] question: mediation results are not in line with compression of glmm consisted models

Bert Gunter bgunter.4567 at gmail.com
Sun Apr 23 20:45:18 CEST 2017


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On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 6:53 AM, Uri Blasbalg <uriblasbalg at gmail.com> wrote:
> hi all,
> I'll begin with my two question and all the related information
> (description of the research and the data and full output) will follow.
>
> 1. When i execute model1 (glmm with random intercept only for subjects):
> predictor (suppBin) and outcome (DtlsBinUp) and pre-intervention variables,
> it results with significance . when I carry out model 2: add the mediator
> (rlctDown) too as a predictor, the association shown in the model1 isn't
> significant anymore (suppBin-DtlsBinup), and for the mediator and outcome
> it is (rlctDown-dtlsBinup), with higher coefficient. that should imply for
> full mediation, meaning there isn't direct effect between the predictor and
> the outcome, only indirect. but when i the test mediation model (monte
> carlo method), I gel significant effect for total effect, direct effect and
> the indirect effect. how can it be that the monte carlo contradicts what
> shown when substracting model1 from model2? what am i missing?
>
> 2.i am having trouble in interpreting the values of the effects estimations
> in the monte carlo test. I understood the coefficients for the glmm
> as log odds that after transforming using exponential function can be
> understood as odds and may also be expressed as probabilities. but
> the estimates in the monte carlo output are much lower than those in the
> glmm output. so how should they be understood.
>
> following are description and output,
> thank you
> uri.
>
>
>
>
>
> ********** predictor - outcome
>
>
> Generalized linear mixed model fit by maximum likelihood (Laplace
> Approximation) ['glmerMod']
>  Family: binomial  ( logit )
> Formula: dtlsBinUp ~ suppBin * qu + ageS + gender + (1 | PD)
>    Data: hypoTest
> Control: glmerControl(tolPwrss = 0.001)
>
>      AIC      BIC   logLik deviance df.resid
>  15351.9  15406.1  -7669.0  15337.9    17111
>
> Scaled residuals:
>     Min      1Q  Median      3Q     Max
> -0.6655 -0.5281 -0.5140 -0.1889  5.4472
>
> Random effects:
>  Groups Name        Variance Std.Dev.
>  PD     (Intercept) 0        0
> Number of obs: 17118, groups:  PD, 200
>
> Fixed effects:
>             Estimate Std. Error z value Pr(>|z|)
> (Intercept) -3.20574    0.14668 -21.856  < 2e-16 ***
> suppBin      0.57468    0.15930   3.607 0.000309 ***
> qu           2.02646    0.10902  18.588  < 2e-16 ***
> ageS        -0.09564    0.09923  -0.964 0.335151
> gender      -0.05598    0.04141  -1.352 0.176458
> suppBin:qu  -0.15165    0.17283  -0.877 0.380250
> ---
> Signif. codes:  0 ‘***’ 0.001 ‘**’ 0.01 ‘*’ 0.05 ‘.’ 0.1 ‘ ’ 1
>
> Correlation of Fixed Effects:
>            (Intr) suppBn qu     ageS   gender
> suppBin    -0.495
> qu         -0.718  0.655
> ageS       -0.673  0.010  0.002
> gender     -0.179  0.008  0.034  0.065
> suppBin:qu  0.456 -0.922 -0.631 -0.004 -0.028
>
>
>
> ********** predictor, mediator - outcome
>
>
> Generalized linear mixed model fit by maximum likelihood (Laplace
> Approximation) ['glmerMod']
>  Family: binomial  ( logit )
> Formula: dtlsBinUp ~ suppBin * qu + rlctDown + ageS + gender + (1 | PD)
>    Data: hypoTest
> Control: glmerControl(tolPwrss = 0.001)
>
>      AIC      BIC   logLik deviance df.resid
>  14114.1  14176.0  -7049.0  14098.1    17110
>
> Scaled residuals:
>     Min      1Q  Median      3Q     Max
> -1.5239 -0.4638 -0.4552 -0.1487  6.8990
>
> Random effects:
>  Groups Name        Variance Std.Dev.
>  PD     (Intercept) 0        0
> Number of obs: 17118, groups:  PD, 200
>
> Fixed effects:
>             Estimate Std. Error z value Pr(>|z|)
> (Intercept) -3.69635    0.15247  -24.24   <2e-16 ***
> suppBin      0.14896    0.16475    0.90    0.366
> qu           2.26040    0.11289   20.02   <2e-16 ***
> rlctDown     2.06709    0.05947   34.76   <2e-16 ***
> ageS        -0.10680    0.10432   -1.02    0.306
> gender      -0.02293    0.04360   -0.53    0.599
> suppBin:qu   0.13720    0.17963    0.76    0.445
> ---
> Signif. codes:  0 ‘***’ 0.001 ‘**’ 0.01 ‘*’ 0.05 ‘.’ 0.1 ‘ ’ 1
>
> Correlation of Fixed Effects:
>            (Intr) suppBn qu     rlctDw ageS   gender
> suppBin    -0.462
> qu         -0.708  0.629
> rlctDown   -0.159 -0.088  0.143
> ageS       -0.665  0.000 -0.018 -0.005
> gender     -0.184  0.008  0.035  0.024  0.066
> suppBin:qu  0.426 -0.916 -0.607  0.062  0.005 -0.029
>
>
>
>
> ********** predictor, mediator - outcome (function "mediate" from packege
> "mediation"
>
> ** script (syntax):
> med.out.8.1.2.1 <- mediate(model3.1, model8.1.2.med, treat = "suppBin",
> mediator = "rlctDown",
>                    sims = 1000)
>
>
> Causal Mediation Analysis
>
> Quasi-Bayesian Confidence Intervals
>
> Mediator Groups: PD
>
> Outcome Groups: PD
>
> Output Based on Overall Averages Across Groups
>
>                          Estimate 95% CI Lower 95% CI Upper p-value
> ACME (control)             0.0401       0.0321       0.0481       0
> ACME (treated)             0.0420       0.0338       0.0506       0
> ADE (control)              0.0376       0.0178       0.0575       0
> ADE (treated)              0.0395       0.0189       0.0595       0
> Total Effect               0.0796       0.0580       0.1013       0
> Prop. Mediated (control)   0.5015       0.3890       0.6852       0
> Prop. Mediated (treated)   0.5276       0.4127       0.7081       0
> ACME (average)             0.0410       0.0329       0.0492       0
> ADE (average)              0.0385       0.0183       0.0584       0
> Prop. Mediated (average)   0.5145       0.3999       0.6961       0
>
> Sample Size Used: 17118
>
>
> Simulations: 1000
>
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