[Rd] shared libraries: missing soname
jrm at ftfl.ca
Fri Nov 25 04:29:09 CET 2016
Dirk Eddelbuettel <edd at debian.org> writes:
> You assume that change == breakage. Yet that assumption is baseless.
> Which is what someone like Martin (R Core, and "at it" since the 80s pre-R
> and 90s with the almost very beginning of R) and myself (around R since the
> late 90s, somewhat involved since the early 00s) keep telling you.
> At some point it might appear to be approproiiate for you to actually take
> our word for it.
It is not that I am not taking your word. There are some unique (to me)
approaches in R and some of them are subtle. I am also taking criticism from
the other side, because, as I said, some conventions collide. When Martin said,
> All these libraries "belong to R" and are tied to a specific version of R...
I understood that "tied to a specific version of R" meant that (Debian/FreeBSD)
R packages should be updated in lock step with R. So, on Debian, changes in the
r-core package never necessitate a bump of r-cran-*? In other words, the
libR.so interface is guaranteed to be stable across releases?
> | I also notice that on Debian you make a soft link of /usr/lib/R/lib/libR.so to
> | /usr/lib/libR.so. Given all that has been discussed, I am unclear why.
> Well noticed -- yet a stricly personaly reason via two projects I have been
> (co-)authoring: littler and RInside. They both "embed" R via libR and we do
> both rpath ("somewhat" verboten by Debian Policy as it hard codes a path,
> hence the alternate of placing it where ldd / ldconfig find it).
> But please note that that is _me_ doing this, and the R Core gospel we have
> been trying for you to understand still stand: __what you insist is needed
> actually is not__.
> | Thank you for sticking with the thread,
> Sorry for coming through as pedantic but you (and we're now at what, six
> posts in and counting?) still start from the wrong (at least outside of the
> gilded confines of FreeBSD) premise. It. Just. Works.
> Just give us and the unknown-but-sometimes-estimated-to-be-in-the-millions of
> R users some credit. What is there __works__. Seriously. Debian folks are
> pendantic for technical excellence __and even they have no issue with
> per-package and local shared libraries__. Which is what this is. Really.
Pedantic is fine. I give credit! I would not be investing my (comparatively
minuscule) time if I did not appreciate R. I would also not be doing anyone a
service if I released a flawed FreeBSD package that did not do the project
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